no, i know the difference between law and theory. theory is not yet proven to be true and while there are plenty of scientists who like to jump the gun on some things, that doesn't take away from the FACT that it is not yet a fact.
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by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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ultimately, what gets lost in all of this is:
think of all this like a court room of sorts.
the bible/whatever your holy text is, is your theory of how the world came to be or how life came to be. the science textbook is our proof that your theory is wrong. when you take the time to go through our documents and proofs, when you take the time to perform the experiments to verify the proofs and you go physically see the archaeological/anthropoligical/astronomical evidence for the proofs, then you will see why your theories are wrong.
the more in depth answer to the flat/sphere:
the concept of sphere and flat are based on unchanging laws of math. these are based off of equations that are proven true when graphed on cartesian coordinates and in 3 dimensions. 3dimensions is an extension of cartesian planes which are derived from the number line and we all know how to count. the number line is one of the very first things you ever learned
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by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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Maybe the concepts of flat and spherical will be inadequate to express future conceptions of the earth. Can you rule it out?
yes we can rule that out. as long as 1 +1 = 2 we can rule that out
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by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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Cofty, the thing about this type of statement is that evolution can only be refuted by scientists.
no it can be refuted by anyone who can prove their theory to be true.
If a non scientist tries to refute it they are told they require more education on the matter.
because when you learn more about the subject, you can only come to one possible conclusion (i say this of evolution).
YOU can actually do it. i think that is something you're missing. every single thing that rutherford did in the gold foil experiments when he discovered the nucleus in the atom is something tht you can actually do. so when learning about evolution, not only do you learn in class, but you learn in the lab and you learn how sequncing is done for example. or you learn how to extract dna. you learn the math behind the laws and postulates and you can follow the argument to it's conclusion.
the point is, all of this is duplicable. you can learn the math and physics behind the big bang. in physics labs, you'll put into practice those laws and you'll physically be able to verify what it is you learned in class.
It seems reasonable to assume that a percentage of people will look at this as some sort of mind control technique. Think about it, you are telling people that they need to be instructed before they are qualified to refute. People with religious frameworks are not going to be able to use them to refute evolution because religion is the orange and science is the apple. What about the illiterate or people with lower intelligence? Are they simply to put faith in these scientific conclusions even though they are unable to personally verify them?
the illiterate can learn to read. i'm just astounded that would even be an option. is it really better to just let them remain illiterate? they couldn't even read the bible or whatever, if that was the case, to prove that they believe god to thell them x,y, or z
and people of lower intelligence? if they can prove their belief true and they proved all those scientists and eggheads with phds to be wrong, then they weren't loewr in intelligence where they? that was way out of left field. who would take a theory seriously if it included a bnch of stuff that is provably wrong?
once again you can refute it if you can physically prove it to be true. that's science in a nutshell. you hae to physically prove it to be true.
so if you can physically prove your beliefs to be true, then you'd definitely have refuted whatever it was you were arguing against.
based on the simple math of 1 + 1 = 2, we know evolution to be true. feel free to try using your religion to prove 1 + 1 = 2...
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Atheism->Deism->Theism
by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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then you are comparing apples and oranges. science then mixed religion and philosophy.
science now is a totally different breed of animal. there are stricter guidelines for laws and theories as well as the review process etc.
you would have to direct the other question to the person who made that statement.
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Atheism->Deism->Theism
by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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i think some of the push back comes when believers throw out bits and pieces suggesting they have the "one true faith" or insinuate that christians/nonbelievers have no morals. and then there's the agnostics are cowards bit.
what i don't think is push back is correcting statements that are scientifcally not true.
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Atheism->Deism->Theism
by sabastious ini have noticed that there is a lot of angst directed towards believers and non believers so i thought i would make a thread explaining how it all works from my own perspective.
the reality is that neither believers nor unbelievers are right or wrong, they simply are, if that makes sense.
to better understand the perspective ideologies i have constructed a map so to speak of how it all works.. the fact is that we are all products of our environment, we cannot escape this at first, but we can eventually, but first we have to accept that we were first a product of our environment.
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Except when it changes as new discoveries are made. In every age scientists believed that they had the right knowledge of how the universe worked, until a new theory was developed or a new discovery came along that showed that the old was was accurate. Sounds like "facts" are relative to the time.
you're confusing laws with theory
laws don't change, theories do
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by InquiryMan injust a funny poll from a european perspective:.
in a major norwegian newspaper 84 percent voted barack obama best in the 2nd presidential debate,.
at the same time there was a poll on which dress was the most flattering to their wives they were both in pink.. michelle got the exact same vote as her husband, 84 per cent were in favor of her dress.. .
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lmao, says the second poster on this thread...
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Thinking of becoming a JW.
by Kate82 inhi,.
i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.
also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.
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as an addition...
if you start missing meetings or start becoming irregular in field service, you might start losing friends. bad associations after all.
most importantly, you cannot question doctrine. even ridiculous things. that's the quickest way to fall out of favor within a congregation and have the elders looking at you suspiciously.
this was from a court transcript and said under oath. or whatever they say in scotland :P
the head counsel for the jws at the time, and i think it was pointed out that he might even be considered part of the faithful and discreet slave with the new changes, is the one on the stand answering questions.
Q. That was the publication of false prophesy?
A. That was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erronious statement in fulfilment of a prophesy that was false or erronious.
Q. And that had to be believed by the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses?
A. Yes, because you must understand we must have unity, we cannot have disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is supposed to march in step.--------------
Q. Back to the point now. A false prophesy was promulgated?
A. I agree that.I do hope that you take some time to really look at this organization critically. the older publications show that this is not the truth at all and their continued insistence on 607 bce and 1914 show that this is not a religion, so much as a fraudulent printing company. coupled with the numerous scandals, the needless deaths from blood issues and not being able to have organ transplants as well as some being so hurt after coming out of this cult that they felt they had no other options than to take their own life.
it is destructive, but it's impossible to see, feel or understand that until you are sucked too far in to simply leave.
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by Kate82 inhi,.
i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.
also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.
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I have been continuing my research and have a few more questions.
I have heard that a JW can not smoke, drink alcohol, have sex with anyone except the person they are married to and that they cannot say grace or god bless u.
you cannot smoke at all. period.
you can definitly drink with other people tho lol and you'll find out with a quickness that there is a LOT of drinking that goes on, at least in some areas.
you are right about the sex and you are right about the 'god bless you'. same goes for gesundheit(sp?) and any other variation.
Can any of u ex JW's tell me if the above are correct anc tell me some more about them please. Are u telling me that there is no prayer said before a meal to thank god for the meal??
there is always a prayer before meals. well supposed to be. in public that's always the case. you'll find that in private, that definitely changes. at least for younger people.
Also can u please tell me any other rules that are a must if i went ahead.
well, this won't apply to you per se lol, but men cannot have beards or goatees in the states.
they frown heavily on low cut tops and short skirts. fancy hairdos and it's a very controlling group in terms of how you look.
if you are doing a jw thing in casual clothes/work clothes, like cleaning at the district convention or circuit assembly, you cannot wear clothes with logos. patterns are fine i guess, logos are a no-no.
I dont know if i am 'under or getting under the spell' but i feel loved like i have not experienced before.
you are under the spell and it feels GREAT at first. sooner or later, you'll see the ugliness underneath. it's a very very very shallow organization.
you're age, looks, marital status and who you are connected to will determine how much love you continue to feel after becoming one. for people studying, they'll pour the love out.
single brothers and sisters over 30 have it rough, especially if they aren't very well connected and have a small social group.
kids from single moms are generally ignored, but kids whose dad is an elder/ministerial servant are known throughout their district.
the elderly are kinda left be, depending on how much pull and influence they've had throughout the years. i've seen quite a few older brothers and sisters that were essentially abandoned once they couldn't make meetings as often bc a mate had dimentia. very sad.
if you watch and observe congregations after meetings, you'll see the internal dynamics of that congregation. in my experience, they are all very clique-ish. just like school can be.
some will leave right after the meetings. those people are usually assumed to be "spiritually weak" and they might be. they might be having doubts, OR they might not be feeling the love from the hall anymore after their baptism.